All right. So it took me ages to record this episode. Just this week was so busy with so many people enrolling in the job hunting made sink bowl programs and having sessions with me and consultations, finding out if the program was good for them. I only open registrations for the group coaching program two times per year. So of course, it’s a very busy week and I’m very late recording this episode, but it’s the best time of the week to record episodes for this podcast. It’s Sunday afternoon. The house is quiet. The road is quiet. There’s no noise. It’s just perfect. I should always do this at this time because it really gives me so much pleasure recording it.
And the funny thing is I was coming back from lunch. It’s Father’s Day here in Australia and we were coming back from lunch across town and I was listening to a smart list, which is one of our favorite podcasts. Andrei and we like to listen to it together. And They were so unprepared for the episode.
They were interviewing Rashida Jones and I kid you not, the introduction was horrible. I could tell that they didn’t know the names of the movies that she had co written or be, you know, she was an act, an actress, but she’s also a writer and a producer and so on. And they had no idea. Some people didn’t know who her father is.
It’s Quincy Jones, by the way, or her husband, who is the lead singer. Vampire Weekend, one of my favorite bands. I’m like, these people, they don’t prepare. It made me feel good because I’m not feeling that prepared today. Too many questions. We have 26 questions. And of course, I’m not going to write a massive answer to all of them.
Otherwise, I’ll be here until next week. So I’m going to broad brushes, everybody, just giving you an explanation. And I’m going to align each one of those questions to the, the modules inside Job Hunting Made Simple. It’s really interesting that sometimes people reach out to me and say something along the lines of, Oh, I have a quick question for you.
It’s not a quick answer. It might be quick for you to explain it to me, but the answer is quite sophisticated or complex. I may need more information from you. We may need to book a consultation. That’s why I have that service, everybody. You know, there are some times in your career where talking to a career coach who is experienced in the area that you need help with.
So in my case, it’s job hunting, career planning. career design, career transition. You know, if you’re changing careers at a later stage in life, I don’t work with young professionals. Everybody don’t send me your children. I work with experienced executives, senior managers, experienced professionals in the corporate sector.
So if that is you, then that’s what I do. you know, I designed my services for you. So reach out to me with more time so that we can really tailor a specific strategy for you to deal with the issues that you’re facing. So I’m going to align each of these questions to modules inside job hunting made simple.
Now job hunting made simple is a program that I designed over many, many years. It’s a passion project of mine. I always knew I wanted to be a coach. So I, over time, as I experienced things in my corporate career, I started drafting, you know, Ideas and putting things down in paper, working with amazing, mentors and colleagues of mine to really nail it down and make sure that I had a successful, framework for myself.
And then I started. creating, you know, a, a small group of private clients that, you know, we’re testing out this, strategy as well. And now I am very confident that this framework works because so many professionals have great results with these seven modules and, you know, following, the modules step by step progressing, you know, in your understanding of what it means to be career ambitious, to be, ready for the next stage of your career, to make sure that your transition from one job to another is successful for you.
It’s not something that you have to do, but something that you want to do. So I’m podcast is already, this podcast will be long. Grab a coffee, everybody. I have a huge mug of tea. If you’re watching this on YouTube, you can see the size of my mug is basically the size of my head. So I’m pretty ready to work, on these questions with you.
All right, I’m not going to mention names, but I’m going to read out the question exactly as it was, sent to me. First one. What is the best way to approach people you’d like to have a coffee chat with to discuss roles and getting to know them? What is in it for them? You have answered the question with your second question, right?
So, I think that people have such an artificial, understanding of what networking is. Networking is nothing more than basically Talking to people, making friends with people that have similar jobs to you, that work, you know, that have, that are colleagues of yours. It’s just basically being a human being, conversing, contacting, talking to another human being.
Forget the word networking, right? And why would you want to, to have a connection with somebody? When I moved to Australia for I have to admit a couple of years I felt really lonely, right? Because there’s nothing wrong with Australians. They’re lovely people. I was new and I was not in their network of people that they wanted to spend time with.
They were here, they, they were born here, you know, or had moved before me. They had their, family and their friends. They went to high school here. You have deeper connections and time is limited and you want to spend. Your time with the people you love and care for so you have to be really patient and nurture Relationships over time and find opportunities without being too transactional about them, right?
So I remember Going to networking events at the beginning of my career and seeking out the people that were alone Because I was alone and I didn’t have good And I just went for people that were alone and made wonderful friendships and connections that way. And in fact, I became a relationship manager and a business development manager during my career.
And I would always do that at every event. And I used to go to three, four events a week. I worked for a think tank during, you know, a part of my career and I organized events during, parts of my career as well. So I, I know how it feels to go to an event by yourself, to not have a large network, to be new to a country, a town, a city, an industry, a company, and feel lonely.
And I think that it is important for you to be patient and understand that the measure of success that you will have in developing and nurturing those friendships that are professional friendships will come to you over time. They will not happen from one week to another, right? So if you’re without a job right now and you want your network, your brand new network, people that don’t even know you to find you jobs.
That won’t happen like that, you know, but what can happen is you having conversations with recruiters. Are you as you apply for jobs and going back to your former colleagues and, you know, having catch ups with them without asking them for jobs without being to push your transactional, as I said, because this is not, the sort of, relationship.
Super. Like the one you do when you’re buying a car or a house where it happens and that’s it, you know So you can be pushy and you can negotiate really hard This is something that will be important for the rest of your career for the next 10, 15, 20 years or more So the module inside job hunting made simple where we go into this In detail, with more technical step by step information on what you need to do and how is module number five.
And it’s not like you can skip and go to module five. I just want you to understand that module five is number five because there are four other things that you need to do to get there. And, And especially Modules 1 and 2 are so important for you to kind of have the confidence to go to your network and work with them and help them and ask them to help you.
So Module 5 is called Job Applications and Networking and we will talk about it in detail after. Next week when we start the job hunting made simple online course and group coaching and for those doing private coaching as well. Okay, next question. I’m in my late 50s. Is it realistic to believe I can take a career step sideways and still be considered an asset?
That is a very good question. Can I say you’re not alone? First of all, there is an episode with my former colleague, Tammy Fitzgerald. She is in her late 40s. She’s 49. And she just enrolled in a law degree because she wants to become a lawyer. So it she will be in her, you know, mid 50s when she starts her career as a lawyer.
And I think that It’s important for us to understand that we’re living longer, that we’re choosing our first careers very early in the game, like, you know, mid teens, you know, when you’re in the middle of your high school years, you need to start already choosing your subject so that you can get into the right courses.
So you’re very young, and I think it’s totally okay for you to change careers over time. I know people that are now, you know, living longer. Yesterday, I spoke to somebody who left one profession and, you know, started doing something else entirely from scratch. And she is definitely in her late 50s, and I help professionals do that all the time.
There are different ways of, working out the steps to get there. And, we discussed this in module one. You know, map your motivation and life goals inside job hunting made simple because what we need to understand, especially in this, at this point where you could either find another job in your current career or move to a different career.
The truth is. Both of them are hard. Both of them require work. If you want to stay in your sector, in your industry, in your line of work, you need to continuously upskill. You might even need to re skill because the world of work is changing so fast. And if you don’t love your career, current career in your current job at the moment, why you do, why would you spend more time and energy investing in it?
You might as well start investing in something else. Both of them will need investing. It’s not easier to stay in your current career because as we know from everything from foresight, forecasts, futurists, academics, and others, What we see anecdotally with professionals in the workplace is that their work is changing every day.
So if you need to do professional development, choose wisely. Okay, next question. Need to take some sip of my tea. Okay, here we go. I’ve been consulting to FMCG, however, prefer a secure permanent role. I have been applying for jobs, but no interview. Okay, this is a case of two things. I’m just thinking, as I speak.
So two things that I think could be happening here. First of all, it’s the ATS. So you have, if you’re applying for jobs that you think you can do and you’re not getting the interview, there’s something wrong with your resume. and then, We can fix that in one or two consultations, but in this case here, if you’ve been consulting, and now you want a permanent role, then I think a group coaching, private coaching, or at least the online course so that you can DIY it is important for you, because you need to put your plans into action.
So that is module three. of Job Hunting Made Simple, right? And, and you need to probably have a better pitch to explain to people, what you’re trying to do in your career. Because it is a career change, even though you might be applying for FMCG, if you’ve been consulting and now you want a permanent role, you need to explain that and have a great, crisp and clear pitch.
So, two things there for you to consider, but Module 3 would be the module that would probably help you really iron out all of these issues. Alright, another one. How to apply for jobs, convince interviewers you want the job despite having more experience than the role requires. Now, a couple of things that are really concerning for me about this question.
Why are you applying for jobs that need less experience? It never works unless you want to take a career, a step sideways. a little bit down in your, it’s not sideways, it’s actually a step down in your career, which again will require you to have a great pitch, crisp and clear, explanation as to why you want to take a step down.
It’s totally okay, but it, it needs to be well explained. What I do see most often, like 90 percent of the time, is people not knowing how to apply for jobs at that level at their level, and then they apply for jobs a level below, and then they’re considered too experienced and they don’t get the jobs. I’d rather you work with me and learn how to apply for jobs at your level if you don’t want to go down a level.
So we need to kind of, I need to understand a little bit more. See how I lack context to answer the questions. I can’t really answer it properly. But I think you get what I mean. So the module here that would be important for this person inside job hunting made simple is module two, understanding your strengths and developing your strategy.
Okay. So you need to know your worth. You need to know your strengths and be confident in the, level of jobs that you’re applying for, have the executive presence to. position yourself well for those jobs instead of applying for the jobs that level below where you will be competing with a different type of job seekers, job seeker and job candidates.
So that’s really complicated and we would need to sort of workshop that and we can do that inside Job Hunting Made Simple. Okay, next one. How do you get the attention of recruiters? Just making sure I’m recording. How do you get the attention of recruiters, particularly if you have questions about the role?
I have tried sending emails but rarely get a response. In some instances, I have received very limited information but not enough to understand challenges the organization is facing and what their priorities are. to therefore be able to focus, target the application documents around those skills required for the role.
Look, I, I’m always on your side, okay? If you’re a job seeker, you’re looking for work and you’re alone there and you’re trying to understand what’s going on and why you’re not hearing from people. I am here to support you. That’s why I have this podcast. That’s why I have Job Hunting Made Simple. But I also need my clients and you, the listeners, to understand that Other professionals have other priorities.
Recruiters are inundated with candidates trying to talk to them. They usually have more than one position that they’re advertising and they’re working with. Several clients, all of them really needy as well. And it’s a lot, it’s a very big workload. Many recruiters that I work with are also not full time workers.
They are people that have flexible arrangements. They are sometimes freelancing. Sometimes they’re only commission based, especially in the U. S. and some countries where I have clients working like Singapore, Hong Kong, UK. So you need to understand that you are not their client. The client for a recruiter is the employer, and they have hundreds of people like you applying for jobs.
So, it is important for you to gather research, and this research that you’re mentioning here is really important, but maybe it’s not for the recruiter to give it to you. In Job Hunting Made Simple, there is a module called Understand Recruitment and Selection, and we really go deep. in detail about how to work with recruiters, what they expect of job candidates at each stage of the process, how the process starts even months before they go to market.
And when they go to market, what happens then? Okay. So it’s really important to really have a thorough understanding. And look, truth is, as a, as a coach specialized in job search and an outplacement career development, all of that. I can tell you this, this is information you don’t need to keep in your head.
You are great at what you do. I’m great at what I do. I’m going to teach you so you can get this next job and be done with it. And then, If you purchase job hunting, it’s simple. It’s yours forever. It’s yours to keep. You can go back and have a look at it. So you know what I mean? Like I don’t expect executives to always know exactly how job hunting works, but if you need a job right now and you want career advancement or career change, then you need to really understand how these things happen and how to work in this very, it’s a, it’s a system, right?
It’s a competition and it’s a system. So I want to teach that to you. All right, one more. In my career change, I am returning to school this September and will edit along with my new placement to my skills based resume. How can I reframe my LinkedIn profile to reflect this? This is a very difficult question for me to understand without context.
This seems like somebody who is returning to school for a career change, like I mentioned before. So I would recommend the episode with, Tammy Fitzgerald. I’m going to put the link below. I have several episodes with career changers, you know, I can think of. Karen James episode. And I know that there are several others.
There’s even one with a recruiter, Donna Kerr. She changed careers as well. So I often refer that to you and to my clients. your reputation will need to change and it’s up to you to start building your new personal brand around your new expertise. And it is something that can be learned and can be done strategically.
And also requires a lot of work from you. So alongside your study, I would allocate time for you to start developing that new knowledge within people that know you of what you’re trying to do. I know that I had to do that when I transitioned from, being a, an executive to being a career coach, you know, it surprised a lot of people and I.
I had to commit myself to it, explain it to my husband and my family, first of all, because it’s a big risk to take. I, I, I, you know, I was doing quite well, you know, I didn’t need to do this. I wanted to do it. I’m assuming that that’s the case for you as well. So inside the, the, the program, we have module two, understanding your strengths and developing your strategy.
I believe that would be. the module where you can go deep and, and delve into how you would, start developing that new reputation for yourself. All right. How do you network when you are between jobs? It gets harder to get response from professionals who are second and third degree contacts. They might accept your connection, connection request, but don’t respond to your query.
Okay. All right. Also in networking events, what are you supposed to say to professionals that you are looking for next roles without sounding desperate? Hmm. Okay.
I find that networking between jobs I personally, I have always found that really easy because I had all the time in the world. But then I was also making sure that I use that time to network with my supporters. You know, who are your keenest supporters? Who are your the people in your network that could be your referees, that could give references, people that you’ve worked with before, you know, where are they now?
Can you catch up with them for a coffee? Not to ask for anything, just to catch up, you know. You can learn so much about them. The work that they do, the companies that they work, you can get ideas for yourself. You don’t have to go to them with a perfect pitch, you know, trying to sell them something, trying to, you know, pretend that you were all confident and ready.
You can go to them with that vulnerability. We’re in 2024 and it is okay to show Vulnerability, you know, to ask, tell me about the work you do, you know, I’m now sort of between jobs and I just want to learn what people are doing so that I can take the next next steps for myself. What would you do if you were in my shoes?
You know, what advice do you give me? Give me, you know, now that I’m in this situation between jobs. So I think inquiry and curiosity and that line of questioning is so much better. Second and third degree contacts are usually great when they are open. warm introduction. So for example, last week, I received an email from somebody who I know really well introducing me to somebody I do not know.
Now that really helps that person to have confidence in my services, right? It’s so much better when people come to me, with that reference from either a client or a recruiter, and it just helps them trust me more. And that’s how I think second and third degree contacts are great. The other ways too, we have several strategies, especially on LinkedIn.
As you know, if you’ve been listening to my podcast, I’m a big fan of how to engage with LinkedIn. I actually have been Been thinking a lot about LinkedIn lately, and I will update, job hunting. Made simple, some key strategies that are behind the firewall of my, client work. Especially now that there are some limitations on how you can contact people if you’re not a premium LinkedIn member, if you’re not paid.
That’s what it means to be premium if you’re in the free. platform, you don’t have as much opportunity. So I have a few ideas so that you don’t need to pay LinkedIn. And I think that they will work. I actually know that they will work because I have amazing guinea pigs, my students at Monash. And I also did some LinkedIn workshops for some professional organizations recently, and we tested it out and it worked a treat.
So that one there, let me just, the spreadsheet is getting A bit long and wide, yeah, so we have a module called Job Applications and Networking, that’s module 5, and that’s where we go into more detail about how to get in touch with the network and the best ways of doing it, the sort of, that you can send out so we do workshop that in detail. We have a whole week to do it. so that is, you know, a fantastic opportunity to feel more comfortable networking. Another question. What are the best ways to follow up after an interview without seeming too pushy? Excellent question. I have, done episodes before, so I can say a couple of things about this.
You may have listened, to these, ideas before, but I really like the idea of sending us a thank you note as soon as the, the interview ends. No question that during the interview is the time you have the most control over the selection process, right? That’s why interview preparation is.
Absolutely critical. I will repeat that. Interview preparation is the most important thing that you need to invest time and money in. So if you want to ever work with me on something and you don’t know what, let me tell you. It’s interview preparation. People book that all the time. I have clients from all over the world that I work with on interview preparations.
I make time as much as I can. I have a very busy schedule, but you know, if people email me and say, I have an interview coming up, can you help me? I usually, unless I really, really can’t, I usually fit you in because I know how important it is to have that mock interview. And for me to give you, some of my key, expertise on how to prepare for that interview so that you can do really well. After the interview, then it’s out of your control and things can take longer than you expect, right? Even longer than you’ve been told. You know, people are usually very optimistic and they might tell you, Oh, you know, I’ll reach out to you.
Bye. The end of next week, they don’t know, especially if they are a recruiter and not the, the hiring manager, because even if they are the hiring manager, there will be emergencies, things that are more urgent, it’s hard to, you know, get everybody from the panel together or whatever reason it can take longer.
So sometimes there’s really not much that you can do. but I think it’s okay for you to have closure. So if you think it’s taking too long, especially if you have other, you know, opportunities happening at the same time, I usually workshop with clients in my group coaching program or private clients, how to do that really well, so that you don’t miss out on going forward with an opportunity because you’re, you know, you’ve been told you’re the preferred candidate for another one and it’s been too long. So we, we have, specific conversations to make sure that you are always safe, you know, and it take the least risky, path to get some, know how and knowledge from recruiters and HR professionals and so forth.
So that’s again, module four, understand recruitment and selection is really important. Another one, what is the best way to manage the tension between needing to find a role or source of income and being patient enough to find the right role? I think you should always be looking for the right role for you.
That’s what I believe, that you have an expertise, a career DNA, that maybe you don’t even know that you have. Some people normalize what they’re good at so much, they don’t see that as a strength. So we need to identify that, you know, with, Mapping out your life goals, your motivation, and then that’s module one, then understanding your strengths, developing your strategy, and then we, need to, you know, apply for the right roles for you.
That is the key to actually converting from job application to job interviews is when you find the right roles for you and you And you know how to position yourself as the best candidate for that role. So the other part of the question is the source of income, finding a role. You have to separate the fear that you have that might be just an instinct more than the reality.
Right? So, I have had clients that have been incredibly fearful of not having a job, but have told me that they have eight months of income saved. And I have had clients that have told me, I can’t pay the bills this month, I am broke. In that sort of diastrates of a situation, right? I don’t know where you’re at.
So you need to separate instinct from reality. Savings are there for situations like this. Careers go up and down. Job markets go up and down. The economy goes up and down. There will be times throughout your very long successful careers where You will, you know, the job market will be better for people seeking roles and the waiting time between jobs is shorter.
And then there will be times, and I think 2024 is that time when there might be a bit of a lag because the economy is low, there are not many jobs advertised and so forth. So, That’s that. The other thing that I want to say is that I personally don’t have a big regard for status quo, me personally, Renata, right?
So I know that some of my clients do. I think that comes from moving from Brazil to Australia. Probably having a better status quo in Brazil than in Australia and being totally okay with whatever job I can find. So I think sometimes we get, because of cultural reasons or countries that we live in, it’s harder for us to just accept whatever job to pay the bills while we apply for the right jobs for us and wait it out. So I think that that is something that we might need to investigate internally. If we are, you know, being too. hard on ourselves and too difficult to ourselves and not giving ourselves the chances that we need to navigate this situation well.
So I’d be delighted to work with you if that’s the case. And I think that Matt mapping out motivation and life goals is the way to go. So I’ll give you an example. I went from having my own company and employing seven employees, Having my own house to moving to Australia and being a undergraduates shouldn’t, and not having any money at all.
And then my first job was of research assistant and I was 10 years older than everybody else in my classes at uni. So it’s a big hit. Not everybody can take that, you know, and I think it’s important to understand, you know, that those things can happen to any, and I was in my thirties by the way. So if you think I was young, I wasn’t, I had two kids.
So. There you go. Things to think about and reflect. Hello Renata, I’m interested to hear about the process of writing good kova letters and how to capture attention through this mechanism. You know, I used to hate kova letters. Oh my dear lord, I really didn’t know how to do them. And now I have this. Best template ever.
It works every time. It works like a treat. It’s the template that recruiters want you to have. It’s how recruiters want to read about you and it’s inside my client platform. So it’s there and the The important thing, and look, I, I’m not surprised if you listen to the episode last week, which was 253, where I investigate templates out there for resumes, and I couldn’t find a single good one anywhere.
I was so shocked. You have no idea how shocked I was. I really did think that there was one resume that was, you know, ATS compliant, good, good to go. No, I, you know, suggested one from each of the most popular platforms, and I still asked you to make some changes to them. So. I bet that there are lots of COVA letters there that are written in a way that is not ideal.
I say this because just recently a client of mine shared with me the advice that she received from another coach. And it’s so bad. And it’s the opposite of how recruiters want you to Talk about yourself. And I see this sort of way of expressing one’s expertise. I see that a lot on LinkedIn and it’s the cringy way.
If you’re listening to me and you don’t like LinkedIn and you’re think everybody’s very pushy and cringy and it’s awkward. That’s the reason why, you know, it’s because some of the advice people are following and then they’re copying each other and then everybody is doing the wrong thing and recruiters don’t like that.
So I feel bad for you, but COVA letters are really important. What I have to say is this. Even if. They are optional. If you have over 10 years of work experience, there is a space there for you to attach extra documents, not the resume. There’s usually a space for the resume, but additional documents are optional.
Always attach a good cover letter, okay? Cover letters are written like letters, they’re not a statement or anything like that. You write them, I mean, I think new generations don’t even know how to write letters anymore but there is a standard way of putting things together that has a certain look to it and that’s how we should do it.
Alright, it’s getting hot in here, it’s because I’m talking too much, I’m burning all my calories from lunch. Next one. Hi, Renata.
Can you provide guidance on action steps to help us get out of the trap of excessive research or no action if we are unable to connect with an appropriate person to discuss a LinkedIn opportunity? Many roles are generic and there is no clear indication of suitability. I have to disagree with the many roles are generic and there is no clear indication of suitability.
I think it’s just, I need to talk to you and explain to you how to read the job ad so that you can understand what they’re asking from you and what the suitability is. And there is specific type of research you can do with, Some, you know, websites and, and even on LinkedIn so that in some other job boards so that you can again understand the suitability and understand that they are not generic.
And that is, again, Module 5, Job Applications and Networking, and that’s where I teach you. So, this is not a question, these questions are, they are all answered inside Job Hunting Made Simple in detail, okay? But there is definitely a trap of excessive research there or no action when you don’t know how to do, and I think it’s the lack of understanding of how to move from.
being keen on a role to actually applying for it or being keen on a role, reading it with that technical eye, you know, because it is a technicality. Some clients come to me, One of them has already booked. I’ve already answered her question here. She’s already booked as a private client and She’s like why am I not getting the jobs?
And I’m like it’s not because you’re not good at your job I can tell you are great at your job. Your resume is outstanding You are not getting jobs because of a technicality because of how you are applying for jobs basically you’re applying wrong, you know, let me help you apply right. Okay, so this is, this is what we need to do.
So there is research to be done. But then there are steps to be taken. And that’s where the seven weeks of group coaching is great, because we’re going to do that together. Okay, even if you do the online course, and you don’t do the group coaching, the seven modules are there. You can, you can do it step by step.
All right, after establishing a first contact with the recruiter, they will most often say something like, I don’t have anything suitable for you right now, please stay in contact. I’m interested in your advice about the form and frequency of contact, and what to say on your end when there is not much happening with you.
You’re still unemployed. I’m interested in your advice about the form and frequency of contact and what to say on your Oh, okay. So you want to keep in touch with the recruiter and they are saying I don’t have anything for you. Please contact, stay in contact. So I think the best thing to do is to use LinkedIn and follow that recruiter and keep an eye on posts, right?
So recruiters are very good at posting in their personal LinkedIn profiles when they have jobs that they’re advertised. And if you ever find that something could work for you and they haven’t reached out to you, you can then send them a LinkedIn message and say, Oh, I’m And say, look, I just saw that you’re advertising this role.
I had a read and of the job ad and it seems like it’s a job that I could apply for. You have my resume. What do you think? You know, am I a good candidate for this role? Frankly, sometimes, I’ve done that. I’ve done that. for a role that I thought was really perfect for me. I’ve done that several times, actually.
And I heard, no, sorry, you’re not it. And then I kind of validated it by contacting somebody else. And they said, Oh, you know, we’re not, I’m sorry. I don’t think you’re the type it’s, it’s okay. Don’t feel bad. It’s not that you are a bad. professional. It’s just that they’re looking for somebody with a different type of experience.
And the job ad wasn’t written quite in a way that expressed that. And it’s no one’s fault. You know, it’s, it’s just, you read it in one way and they wrote it in a different way. So it’s totally fine. so, I think it’s also okay for you to message them when you’ve done something new, when you updated your resume, because you did a certification of some sort, or you decided to change the format.
You can always email them and say, yep, you know, look, here’s my new email, my new resume. When you change emails or mobile numbers or something like that, you can update them. So those, those things are important to keep them in, in the loop. We have a whole series of how to keep them in the loop, even after looking for.
After you get a job and understanding how recruitment and selection works, how recruiters CRMs are updated and how they do the research before, advertising your role, how they use their CRMs and LinkedIn, to research for candidates. That is module four. Okay. And we’re going to review that in detail inside Job Hunting Made Simple.
All right, another one. A, how long have we got? How long have we been here? 45 minutes. I might have to stop in this next one and then continue next week, everybody. By then, we will have already started. the group coaching program. So you would have long missed the opportunity to enroll, but I will read one more because I think otherwise the episode will be too long.
A specialist recruiter has contacted me via LinkedIn as they found my profile and asked, was I interested in a role at a company? I am interested in. Okay, I received this message via LinkedIn. So this person did not attend the webinar, but they wanted my website. Transcript My advice and this is what what I meant before when I said this is not a need It’s a quick question for you, but it’s not a quick answer from my side.
Okay, it’s actually quite complex so She’s interested in this company. The recruiter contacted her. She sent him a
It’s a very long, very long, question chased him a few days ago. He said, Oh, it’s good. He got the CV waiting to hear from the company. My question is the company isn’t currently advertising this vacancy on LinkedIn or their web page. Should I contact them proactively myself and bypass this recruiter or wait to for him to come back to me.
He has many followers. He seems like he’s a big deal. I’m wary to chase him off, but realize being proactive may be key to getting what I want. This is really hard. I’d rather workshop this Through doing the group coaching program, or at least a one hour consultation, because even if it’s, it seems so small, it’s only one row and it’s only one situation, but it’s learning for life.
Okay. There’s so many different ways of thinking about this if you have it. great key context inside the organization. Do you have that or not? is this recruiter, really important for your career? You know, because of his, his or her expertise, location, you wouldn’t want to upset the recruiter if they can get you a job now or in the future.
So, is this recruiter the type of recruiter that is chasing the employer for the, for the job? So they’re presenting the employer with, the fact that they have some candidates ready to go. They don’t even have the job yet. this happens a lot. And that’s again, understanding recruitment and selection.
Employees stand their out, to recruiters. Recruiters give, the employees their proposals. Employees choose which recruiters they’re going to work with. So that’s it. That could be happening. So the recruiter doesn’t even know that you, that they have the assignment yet. So you see what I mean? And we, when we workshop things together, depending on what you tell me, it gives me clues to then give you more confidence on which way to go.
And that’s why we have the module understanding recruitment and selection because then, especially in the group coaching program, people come with, you know, as I am saying things, people interrupt and say, Oh, this happened to me. That happened to me. And I’m like, well, that that’s what this means. That’s what this means.
So you’re learning not just from your experience, but from others, you know, who have gone through this with different recruiters. And then I’m able to quickly point out, you know, what what’s going on and why things are happening that way. There you go. I haven’t really answered your question, but I’m just explaining.
It’s more complex than than what it seems. I hope you listen to this and that it somehow helps you to reflect and sort of use your intuition to guess, or decide, okay, I’m ready for this program. Let me sign up. And I want to explain that. Like I said, I only opened a group coaching twice a year. It’s seven weeks long and between my teaching at Monash, my private clients, my corporate work that I do.
I run workshops for team development, team performance, strengths assessments for teams and individuals in corporate settings. I have private consultations. You can book LinkedIn, all that you can books in this podcast. So I can’t run the group coaching program all the time. I can only do it twice a year.
September. is the best time. It’s the second best time in the year to do group coaching, with me. Why? Because we will be working together September and October. It’s seven weeks long. Okay. And those are the two really good months to, to look for work, right? The first group coaching program we ran at the beginning of the year, That’s gone.
People are fine. It was a lovely program. Now, we are at the tail end of the year. You know, October, November, that’s it. December is a very slow month. January, the same. So you want to get this help from me right now. So if you’re ready, look up my website, RenataBernadi. com Or the jobhuntingpodcast. com, there will be a banner there linking you to the Job Hunting Made Simple landing page.
The three options are there for you to choose. There’s more details, there’s client testimonials for you to read. And the program, the group coaching program starts on the 9th of September. You have only a few days to figure this out. So if you need to ask me any questions, if you’re not sure if, you know, this program is for you, yada, yada, you can email me.
If you’re a subscriber to my newsletter, you can just reply back to any of the emails I’ve sent you in the past, or you can reach out to me on LinkedIn. Just send me a message or Instagram, Facebook, Twitter. I’m everywhere. And I will reach out to you and, and tell you, you know, what I think and recommend what option I think is best for you.
But, you know, spoiler alert, if you’re listening to this podcast, and you’re still here with me, this program is designed for you. I did this for you. Okay, you are my ideal candidate. If you’re still here and you’re listening, you’re ready and I’d love to work with you. Alright everyone, it’s over an hour.
It’s enough. I will address the other questions in the episode next week. And I will also share with you some of the statistics that we have gathered. I’m still working on my Excel spreadsheet and compiling more data. And share with you, you know, some. interesting sentiment and analysis that we have done here, about the people that have attended the webinar, anonymously of course, we’re just compiling data and I want to share those with you. I’ll see you next time and I’ll see you inside Job Hunting Made Simple. Bye for now.
